Heat wave is no reason for alarm

Written by Susan Stamper Brown, news-sun.

cartoon caveman iceage endingBaby, it's hot outside. If it wasn't for the refreshing cold front pushing through parts of the U.S. right now, one might be tempted to think there is something to all that global warming nonsense that conveniently breaks out every time it is warm enough for a climate change alarmist to break out in a sweat.

To be fair, climate change is real. It occurs four times a year when winter turns into spring turns into summer turns into fall. Alarmists don't see it that way, so they squawk "The sky is falling" every time conditions vary outside their interpretation of what they think is normal.

If there was ever a case to be made for global warming, it would have been in 1936 -- back in the days when no one worried about how cow flatulence or greenhouse gas affected the atmosphere.

Unlike anything we've experience since; the three-month long 1936 North American heat wave wiped out crops and snuffed out lives during the Great Depression's "Dust Bowl" days. The heat wave that began in June largely ended in September, leaving in its wake over 5000 deaths, drought, and widespread destruction. Even as hot as it's been, many of the record-high temperatures experienced then are unmatched today.

To make matters worse, the 1936 heat wave was preceded by one of the most severe cold waves of the 1930s. The 1936 North American cold wave included recorded wind chills of minus-100 degrees Fahrenheit in the Midwest, ending with March floods. People concentrated on how to put the next meal on the table rather than obsessing over things like air temperature fluctuations.

It's good they didn't obsess, because temperatures returned to normal that fall, just like the cold front making its way across the country is doing today as I write.

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Gator
# Gator 07-15-2012 08:04
Nice piece. It's funny how people 'feel' about the Gulf oil spill. If you mention it, most people's faces squench up and they say something like, 'That was horrible'. Which when one considers the eleven lives that were lost, it truly was. But most people have forgotten the human toll, and have been fixated on an imagined Gulf toll.

He who controls speech, controls tought. We have been subjugated to a leftist anti-human agenda for far too long. The Gulf is fine, mother nature saw to that. We need to concentrate our efforts on human issues, like freedom.
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anne
# anne 07-15-2012 12:20
www.google.co.uk/.../ Poor Aussie's, know how they feel, I am still suffering from the longest, coldest wettest 'drought' in the UK. It reminds me of the met office's last three years predictions of 'a wonderful BBQ summer' which turned out to be the coldest and wettest three summers on record.
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Mike
# Mike 07-15-2012 23:49
The dust bowl was worse in its impact because of poor farming practices.

This year's heat waves (more are coming) and the on going drought were likely made worse by AGW but the real issue is that the last ten years have been the warmest globally on record (~1880) and were likely the warmest in many centuries. No natural cycle can account for this. CO2 levels have not been this high in 600,000 years.
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Boxorox
# Boxorox 07-16-2012 07:40
Mike,

Carbon dioxide is not a cause for any climate change on earth. Also, please refer to the Medieval Warming period, the Roman Warming period and even the Phoenecian warming period, all episodes in relatively recent human history when temperatures were higher than they have been in modern times.

AGW is not real.
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Robert
# Robert 07-16-2012 09:40
Quote:
AGW is not real.
Neither is Mike or his understanding of science. ;-)
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amirlach
# amirlach 07-17-2012 22:18
Quote:
The real issue is that the last ten years have been the warmest globally on record (~1880) and were likely the warmest in many centuries. No natural cycle can account for this.
Complete and utter nonsense.
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anne
# anne 07-16-2012 01:13
Mike, not being rude but you really do need to research a subject before you make any comment. .http://stevengoddard.wordpres s.com/2012/07/15/ushcn2-cheati ng-our-socks-off/
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anne
# anne 07-16-2012 01:14
climatedepot.com/.../... Sorry Mike, realise it did not link too well!
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Mike
# Mike 07-16-2012 12:50
Thanks anne, but I get my science from the scientific literature not political blogs.
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Robert
# Robert 07-16-2012 13:29
Yet you still get it wrong, so apparently you don't understand "your science". That being the case it really doesn't matter where you get "your science" from does it?
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Gator
# Gator 07-16-2012 13:32
Gee, do blogs invent facts?

"We have been hearing that the last 12 months is the warmest in US history. It is not surprising, because USHCN is massively cheating – by adding 2.5 degrees on to 2012 temperatures relative to 100 years ago."

ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2/monthly/9641C_201207_F52.max.gz
ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2/monthly/9641C_201207_raw.max.gz
ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/ushcn/v2/monthly/9641C_201207_tob.max.gz

Nope! That would be the folks writing the 'scientific' literature. ;-)
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Mike
# Mike 07-17-2012 15:24
Steven Goddard so dumb even Watts does not want anything do with him. His is not and never has been a scientist. Ans yes he makes stuff up all the time.
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Gator
# Gator 07-17-2012 15:43
Empty rhetoric from Mike, once again. :zzz

Please provide documentation of your wild assertions.

I provided the links proving the data tampering has taken place. Put up or shut up.

I don't care who likes who, or who has unfriended who on Facebook.

This is why you alarmists are losing the debate so very badly, like the Emperor, you have no clothes.
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Robert
# Robert 07-18-2012 03:01
Nor can they compose a coherent argument based on facts, it's not even worth the time to read anything Mike posts.
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Tez
# Tez 07-18-2012 03:31
Mike: Why resort to personal attacks?

Just explain how the Vikings settled Greenland for five hundred years staring in the 10th Century. No proxy data needed for this claim as you could nip to Greenland and look at the archeological evidence.

What was the mechanism for that prolonged period of pleasant climate and if you dont know, how can you know that the same mechanism is not at work now?

PS I dont think anyone would dispute that the burning of fossil fuels has contributed to the recent rise in C02 levels. :-)
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Boxorox
# Boxorox 07-18-2012 10:40
Certainly. CO2 levels are higher and the production of carbon dioxide by combustion of petroleum and coal are a major reason for this. But we have to realize that higher concentrations of carbon dioxide are not related to changes in the atmosphere's ability to trap and hold heat. On earth, under prevailing conditions, carbon dioxide has nearly completely reach saturation of its frequency spectrum--that gas's potential to perform as a so-called greenhouse gas. The only way this cold be altered is if the addition of CO2 to the atmosphere could lead to a significant change, that is increase, in atmospheric pressure across all gradients. This is not happening.

Talking to Mike about these and related facts is like trying to discuss the source of lightning with the bunny rabbits in my backyard. They think it's god clapping his hands or bowling with his friends. I'm okay with letting them go on thinking this is true.
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amirlach
# amirlach 07-18-2012 22:51
Just two examples of empirical evidence that the climate has been far warmer than today without any so called "Man Made Co2 Greenhouse Gasses". Or as we like to call it. "NATURAL CLIMATE VARIABILITY". video.ca.msn.com/watch/video/melting-ice-reveals-1-000-year-old-artifacts/17yir6jps?cpkey=9cd0146b-0d86-4dc4-bd7f-5d55cb23ea1a%7c%7c%7c%7c

www.archaeology.org/online/features/greenland/
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John
# John 07-18-2012 03:13
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-18871679 You just can't believe what your reading the Scottish Government are Nuts, They've Missed there CO2 reduction targets because its too cold!! Agh please what is all this about again. The Elites have lost the plot.
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Judy Cross
# Judy Cross 07-18-2012 20:47
Actually, I have a feeling it is part of maintaining the hypnosis with cognitive dissonance. It is what we used to call a "mind f**k". It sure was good for a laugh though!
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anne
# anne 07-19-2012 01:44
The Scottish Government are ridiculous John, why can't they fill Scottish homes with CO2 to help them keep warm instead of insulating homes :D :D :D
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BargHumer
# BargHumer 07-19-2012 03:16
I think the comments from Mike just show that we can all choose our sources of propoganda to the exclusion of the contrary voices and reason. Alarmists and Realists both choose their source of information and both see the other side as being ridiculous. Both sides think they have the scientific high ground and that science itself is at risk, so the fight is fierce.

It is easy to make a case for AGW, CAGW and just natural GW, with or without CO2, but it is impossible to have a good dialogue between adherents of these views.

The religious nature of all men comes through in that it comes down to a matter of belief hiding behind a mask of science. It would be good if everyone took a look at their own foundations and honestly evaluated how they got to where they are.
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Gator
# Gator 07-19-2012 07:55
Hey Barg! The simple fact is that the alarmists 'believe', and the skeptics reason. If you follow any thread on this site, you will see the difference.
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BargHumer
# BargHumer 07-19-2012 09:05
The Alarmists "reason" that because the Mauna Loa CO2 correlates with manmade emissions that it is a smoking gun. It may be wrong, but it is reasonable.

I have followed lots of threads on the "Realist" blogs, and am impressed. I have learned a lot. In comparison with the "Alarmist" blogs where there is no critical thinking, but lots of intelectual arrogance.
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Gator
# Gator 07-19-2012 09:26
Correlation is not causation.

That's how Chicken Little operated. ;-)

We use Occam's Razor here.
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BargHumer
# BargHumer 07-19-2012 10:16
Whichever method we use to decide what we think is true, there is no silver bullet.

However, if we are concerned, as Jo Nova puts it "hate to see a good civilization going to waste" then gracious interaction with those who are brave enough to enter a "sceptic" blog is a good way forward. It can be the first time that they ever see that there even is an argument. Those who are uninformed still think climate realists are following the pied piper of big oil.
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Gator
# Gator 07-19-2012 10:46
Hey Barg!

Quote:
. Those who are uninformed still think climate realists are following the pied piper of big oil.
That's because our public school system now teach kids what to think rather than how to think. It is one of the cruelest forms of child abuse, and is also a form of slavery.

My generation was probably one of the last to have been taught logic and critical thinking in school, and it becomes ever more evident with each passing year.

Woodrow Wilson's idea of a public school system was that it should turn out 'a compliant work force'. What he really meant, was that he desired a public willing to support an ever growing federal bureaucracy.

Logic is the silver bullet, and that is why we are being disarmed by the monsters.
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BargHumer
# BargHumer 07-19-2012 13:13
Yes, I agree with you except for the last point. Logic as an idea is often used in an illogical manner. At its most basic, it is necessary to know all the contributing inputs before any logical outputs can be known for sure. Since no one knows all the inputs it is a futile objective. Logic becomes subjective and leads nowhere.

As you have seen in other blogs, even those on the same side cannot establish their logical arguments with others who differ only slightly. Take for instance the discussion about whether CO2 has any effect at all, and if back radiation even exists. An argument between friends soon cools the friendship.

I think a big dose of reality will force a change, just as it has in Japan and is pending in Germany. It is hard for the UK who want to be leaders in this "green" field but even they start backtracking.
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Gator
# Gator 07-19-2012 13:30
Logic dictates that if climate has changed naturally in the past, it will do so in the present, and in the future. Had we used logic as the basis of our inquiry, we would have quickly discovered there is nothing about which to be alarmed.

You need not know why the Sun rises each day to predict its arrival.
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Boxorox
# Boxorox 07-19-2012 08:09
Hey Barg - I think an examination of the motives for each camp will illustrate whom to believe. The alarmists wish to sway public policy to render effects on society that have nothing to do with science or the environment. We who scoff of this rubbish hope mainly to preserve truth in science as well as prevent unwarranted regulation, reduction of living standards and fines, etc.

Truth must win.
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BargHumer
# BargHumer 07-19-2012 09:23
I suspect most of those who still sit in the "Alarmist" camp have no real idea what the purpose of it is. They don't get a balanced news input, they only see evidence for one side. For instance, the BBC only headlines the heat wave in the USA but not the record cold in the USA or elsewhere in the southern hemisphere.

Who still trusts what they read in a newspaper? but look how many people still read the printed paper and pay for it. It is not easy to know where to get "truth" from. It never was, but most people didn't realise how easily they could be duped.

We all think we can reason things out for ourselves in some way, but we tend to choose the news that fits our world view and exclude that which supports an opposing world view.

In the end, it will not be science that wins this debate, nor even truth. The cause will never be surrendered so it will have to mutate into something else, possibly even worse.

As you seem to know, AGW was only ever a means to an end, so there will be a new means to the same end emerging sometime soon, before all the credibility of AGW is gone.
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Boxorox
# Boxorox 07-19-2012 10:02
Sadly, yes.

Think of all the time that gets wasted through this process!

All the potential achievements which are either delayed or thwarted because of the Luddites who are simply unable or unwilling to take on the perspective to view the Whole in which we all live.
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anne
# anne 07-19-2012 15:58
Barg, there is 'sustainable development'.
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BargHumer
# BargHumer 07-19-2012 16:43
Hi Anne, It must be too late in the evening for my brain to make connections. Perhaps you can explain your point further. I think sustainable development is great when it is not just a buzz phrase, and when it is not connected with biofuels.
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anne
# anne 07-20-2012 01:10
Hi Barg, if you are interested in this subject then you must know that Rio20 took place recently and sustainable development was the buzz word. What is means to the AGW theorists is that there are too many people on the planet (not them however us) and that we are using too many resources, therefore too many people are the problem. What they believe should happen, and things have been put in place, are that we in the west should all live and work in high rise cities, only use public transport and allow the countryside to return to the wild. They also believe underdeveloped countries should not be allowed to develop. They believe in policies that limit children being born (eugenics)'think Bill and Belinda Gates'. etc.etc.
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BargHumer
# BargHumer 07-20-2012 03:11
Yes, you are right. This ideology has been around for many years though, and seems to me to be directly linked to the eugenics prior to WWII.

Nevertheless, we are 'wasters' and don't take care of our environment properly. Fish stocks show this problem dramatically, so does rainforrest destruction.

It seems to me that the original environmentalism that wanted to improve the way we lived has been hijacked with the agenda you state, and that the CO2 'bogey man' is the key driver for all it's goals. A one trick pony!

I recently discussed this false concept of CO2 being a polutant with an AGWer, and met with the usual abuse. It is a hard thing for someone to change their mind, so denial without reason is their only coping mechanism.
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anne
# anne 07-20-2012 01:27
www.davidicke.com/headlines/69597-weather-modification-and-tornado-mitigation-by-electromagnetic-satellite-beam Barg, you also need to consider this, does it make sense for 'man/woman to change the climate to prevent man/woman made climate change?
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BargHumer
# BargHumer 07-20-2012 03:16
It has been a long held dream of mankind to be able to control his environment, earthquakes, weather, pestilence etc. We all try to control our own environment to some degree, but total control is about total power, and total power leads to total corruption.
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