'Wind farms cure cancer, save kittens, create world peace' says new wind industry report

Written by James Delingpole, Telegraph blogs.

buddycat2Wind energy is great says a new report commissioned by the Labour think tank Institute For Public Policy Research.

Among the report's findings are that large scale industrial wind farms can:

• Boost GDP growth by up to 3,000 per cent

• Cure all known forms of cancer

• Rescue drowning kittens from sacks in canals and lead them to secure, happy homes where they are well cared for in handcrafted wicker baskets with lovely, snuggly faux-sheepskin blankets for them to purr on and little saucers of organic Jersey cream designed by Cath Kidston.

• Treble the beauty of the landscape.

• Engender social justice.

• Bring about lasting world peace.

• Mean that if you're an ordinary, struggling working class landowner like Earl Spencer, the Duke of Gloucester, Lord Gisborough, the Earl of Moray or the Duke of Roxburghe – not forgetting our old friend Sir Reginald Sheffield Bt – you won't after all be forced to sell your third-favourite Raphael cartoon in order to make ends meet, you just stick up a ruddy great wind farm instead and Bob's your uncle: problem solved!

But wait. Before we rush to beautify even more of our countryside with these miraculous, bat-chomping eco-crucifixes, perhaps we ought to have a quick glance at the bona fides of the people responsible for this report.

Guido already has.

He notes that two out of the report's three authors are senior employees of a wind company called GL Garrad Hassan. (And the third is an environmental activist – or "green tech cheerleader" as he trendsomely bills himself on Twitter).

As Upton Sinclair once said: "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it."

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anne
# anne 08-30-2012 15:19
Yep, just like Tim Yeo who has his finger in every green pie, hence supporting the third runway (which I agree to) and billions and squillions of wind farms, which he profits from.
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Drewski
# Drewski 08-30-2012 21:16
it just constantly amazes me what tripe sCeptics will consume. All served up by unqualified cooks who are are constantly raided by the health inspectors and closed down. they just pop again with another recipe using the same garbage for ingredients.

Take Dellingpoe's ahmmm article above. As is my want, i went to the source and discovered there is not one mention in the paper about:
kittens
canals
world peace
GDP or
social justice

What the paper does say is that wind power is a stable and inexpensive form of new technology which has practically zero carbon emissions.

No wonder sCeptics and the fossil fuel industry are upset.
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MarleneBlackwntr
# MarleneBlackwntr 08-31-2012 06:22
Those monstrous windmill-type turbines...if it wasn't for Subsidies, none of them would be in business.
Try this on for size...

blackwinterenergy.blogspot.ca/p/our-perspective-on-alternative-energy.html

Done with off-the-shelf parts, and for a LOT less $$ than those monsters, and requires a LOT less maintenance also.
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Drewski
# Drewski 08-31-2012 07:34
Subsidies; You could say the same about nuclear, coal, geothermal or, for that matter, rail, highways, ports or dozens of other necessary public works.

Wind just happens to be the cheapest form of NEW energy available worldwide and has the added benefits of having very low operating costs and no respiratory pollution. Wind farms are becoming more efficient and are PART OF THE PACKAGE in combination with solar PV, solar thermal, geo-thermal, tidal, etc.
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Robert
# Robert 09-01-2012 19:34
It's not NEW and it isn't cheap. You really are dense.
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MarleneBlackwntr
# MarleneBlackwntr 09-01-2012 19:52
Obviously you didn't even bother to look at our site, and I sure don't see you coming up with anything better.
So keep your insults to yourself.
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Robert
# Robert 09-02-2012 04:50
Wind power is not new, drewski is simply playing word games as it is all he knows how to do. You MAY be the exception but you are certainly NOT the rule, wind power is not cheap. For the same area the it would take to generate 1 MW of energy tell me how much area will wind require? So we have land cost, then there is the backup IF you intend to provide constant power. So we can add in that cost. Should I go on? I work in the electrical power generation industry so novelties such as yours are nothing new to me. As for insults, drewski gets what he deserves.
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Drewski
# Drewski 09-02-2012 07:47
First you must understand the difference between productivity and efficiency. Wind power per acre is not efficient, but it is productive. And if you are in the boonies of Nevada or North Dakota or off shore away from the shipping lanes, then it is an efficient use of space.
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Robert
# Robert 09-02-2012 14:40
More word games from drewski, skipping the salient points to try and come across like he knows what he is talking about.

Wind power is not efficient nor in comparison to the same nameplate capacity of a fuel powered rig is it productive. The fuel powered rig PRODUCES the same output 24/7 the wind does not.
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MarleneBlackwntr
# MarleneBlackwntr 09-03-2012 05:39
Quoting Robert:
Wind power is not new, drewski is simply playing word games as it is all he knows how to do. You MAY be the exception but you are certainly NOT the rule, wind power is not cheap. For the same area the it would take to generate 1 MW of energy tell me how much area will wind require? So we have land cost, then there is the backup IF you intend to provide constant power. So we can add in that cost. Should I go on? I work in the electrical power generation industry so novelties such as yours are nothing new to me. As for insults, drewski gets what he deserves.


Modern solar farms are still set up the same way they were back then, same for those eyesore windmills.
Normally wind and solar are ONLY feasible--to abuse that word--if FIT or Feed-In Tarriffs are brought in, and then you're looking at anywhere from 50 to 80 Cents/Kw.
Versus Coal/Gas at 5 Cents/Kw, Retail.

Husband wanted to close that gap, and he, and a now deceased friend of ours, spent years working this system up.
Name of the game was to get as much energy-harvesting/capture capability into as small a footprint as possible.

I'll be adding to the offsite blog, as trying to see this and write at the same time is tough, there's no contrast, and light grey letters against a white background--well, i might be 28, but my eyesight sucks and always has.
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Robert
# Robert 09-03-2012 17:46
Very salient points which drewski consistently ignores which is why we ignore him as much as possible.

The system you are working on needs to be:

1 - A complete "off the shelf" install.
2 - Complete with warranties and guaranties.
3 - As much as possible "idiot proof."
4 - Maintained and serviced for the owner rather than by the owner.
4 - Readily available on the open market to anyone interested.

Working 50-60 hours a week plus taking classes I don't have the time or the interest in having to screw around with keeping my power functioning. If I can't simply enter a room and flip the switch and know the light will come on then it isn't a solution IMO. Granted 90% of the time, as an off the cuff figure for purposes of discussion, the light will come on but as long as there is some percentage where it may or will not come on then I don't want it.

These things will be true for many people, especially item 4. I don't mind working on things, many do. I don't have time to work on keeping my power system functioning, I spend the bulk of my week testing and fixing power generation equipment for others so they don't have to have those concerns either. When I come home my power better just be there and working.

This is the expectation most if not all will have. At present the "alternative" sources don't meet the criteria.
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MarleneBlackwntr
# MarleneBlackwntr 09-03-2012 18:47
Robert,
My reply is lengthy, so I'm posting in on my blog as it won't fit here in one 'go', and I doubt folks here want me posting it broken-up in multiple postings.
So, I'll err (hopefully) on the side of courtesy and post on my blog.
You and Husband think MUCH alike!! :-)

blackwinterenergy.blogspot.ca/2012/09/reply-to-robert.html
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Drewski
# Drewski 09-02-2012 01:21
When you add a new power generator, whether it be nuclear, coal or wind, it is NEW. And of all the "new" power generation added to the world's grids, wind is the cheapest (and getting cheaper, especially if you look over a 20-year time scale).

Robert, you accusing someone else of being dense is the very definition of ironic.
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MarleneBlackwntr
# MarleneBlackwntr 09-02-2012 02:27
Quoting Drewski:
When you add a new power generator, whether it be nuclear, coal or wind, it is NEW. And of all the "new" power generation added to the world's grids, wind is the cheapest (and getting cheaper, especially if you look over a 20-year time scale).

Robert, you accusing someone else of being dense is the very definition of ironic.


Thank-You for the defense Drewski. :-)
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Drewski
# Drewski 09-02-2012 02:37
Marlene, yes I did read your article and it is interesting, however, you state you have continuous power at a minimum of 600kW/h. If the wind is blowing and the sun is at its peak, I can see that is possible. What I can't understand is how that would be possible if you are relying solely on 20hp motors (or 15kW motors) to generate 100+kW of power per generator even with the back up batteries.

I commend you on putting together a combination of batteries, wind, and track-able solar with back up motors. (I take it that these motors are powered by the batteries.)

Another interesting development is solar thermal using graphite. Graphite has incredible heat storage capacity. In the next 10 years we will begin to see a mix of these technologies integrated into a smarter grid.

Re: batteries, check out what one of the Coors sons (from the beer empire) is doing.
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MarleneBlackwntr
# MarleneBlackwntr 09-02-2012 04:10
There's a small trick that I'm not cleared to release yet...Husband is basically testing folks to see who's smart enough to work out on their own how he did it.
I know how you must feel. This system was in place a good while before I moved in after we married, and the first time he showed it to me...felt like my head had been turned inside-out because 'it's not possible'. :-)
Then he told me how, and my head hurt and I felt so stupid. :-D
I'm fairly dying to say, but it'd really torque hubby off if I did.
This is part of his way of screening out 'investors' that are nothing more than tire-kickers and con-men. We've dealt with enough of them for our liking.
The motors are indeed driven off the batteries, yes, allowing Constant Baseload capacity rain, sun, night, storm or whatever.
One is charging while one's being used and a 3rd is 'standby' in case of...whatever unexpected things happen.
They get rotated to equalize usage and 'conditioning'.
Husband built it, It's a bit beyond me.

What we;re hot for is the new quantum dot solar cells that convert t 50% and do with IR, Visible and UV. :-)
I know about graphite and carbon--as hubby's Research Assistant I learn a lot of cool things. :-)
Graphite,simple stuff...infinit uses!!
I'll have a look at the Coor's boy...shouldn't be hard to find, if so, I'll come back and ask for directions. :-D
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Drewski
# Drewski 09-02-2012 07:41
It was happening in Utah and it has something to do with a ceramic wafer. Sounded cutting edge, but the batteries were still the size of a small fridge to run a big home.
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MarleneBlackwntr
# MarleneBlackwntr 09-02-2012 07:45
Quoting Drewski:
It was happening in Utah and it has something to do with a ceramic wafer. Sounded cutting edge, but the batteries were still the size of a small fridge to run a big home.


Found it!! Yes that IS a really cool bit!! TY for mentioning it!!
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anne
# anne 09-02-2012 04:27
www.blogger.com/ well Marlena you sound such a sensible lovely lady NOT!!!!
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MarleneBlackwntr
# MarleneBlackwntr 09-02-2012 07:43
Quoting anne:
www.blogger.com/ well Marlena you sound such a sensible lovely lady NOT!!!!


My name is Marlene, it's not that hard to spell. Now, would you care to make a valid POINT, or are you just going to continue to drool hatred for no perceptible reason??
What's my twitter got to do with anything??

Better yet, let me tell you who you are...
You're one of those trolls who loves to cruise around and find targets of opportunity, like a hyena, and you picked up what's-his-face's slam against me, and being a good little trol, you've decided that you're going to jump in.
I'm guessing either you're insulting my intelligence, or you doubt that any proper woman would be away from the stove and *gasp* be on the Internet, let alone write!!
And therefore, my presence on the internet automatically means I CAN'T possibly be a genuine woman!!
OR, you're a hateful and shrewish misogynist, flat-out who feels threatened by me in some way even though I have NEVER done anything to you to deserve being attacked by you.

Explain yourself or be reported--your call.
I DO NOT give 2nd chances.
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Drewski
# Drewski 09-02-2012 08:15
marlene, not to attack you or anything, but anne happens to be the "nice one" on this cough, cough website. I think that she was just taken aback that someone can have a regular conversation with me. I am the outcast here. Rejected for always being right, you see.

But it was enjoyable to read, nonetheless.
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MarleneBlackwntr
# MarleneBlackwntr 09-02-2012 17:54
Quoting Drewski:
marlene, not to attack you or anything, but anne happens to be the "nice one" on this cough, cough website. I think that she was just taken aback that someone can have a regular conversation with me. I am the outcast here. Rejected for always being right, you see.

But it was enjoyable to read, nonetheless.


I'm just sorry it was a misunderstnding, and I hope Anne can see her way clear to accepting my apology.
I get attacked often online for my beliefs, views,opinions and such...I can relate Drewski. ;-)

So, I reacted from a learned-response unfortunately.
That we buried a friend within the past week doesn't help much either.
I feel bad about blowing up at her.

The security code thingie is kinda time-sensitive it seems...
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anne
# anne 09-02-2012 04:29
www.google.co.uk/.../ Sorry all wrong link!
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anne
# anne 09-02-2012 10:49
Marlene, sorry if I upset you so much, but this is not a site for promoting alternative energy, it's a site to debate whether it's required at all. Drewski, I am sure anyone on this site will debate with you, but debate is exactly that, it means discuss a topic on which differing views are considered, in this case real sciences, realists, as opposed to belief, warmists.
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Drewski
# Drewski 09-02-2012 12:33
Yes anne, "real sciences" fed to us by fake lords, fake lawyers, fake scientists, radio weathermen, creationists and amateur bloggers. Whereas "belief" is what we are told by universities, science organizations, government intelligent services and hundreds of scientists with multiple Phds.

If your reasoning wasn't so tragic, it would be funny.

BTW, is anyone else having to put the code in multiple times before you are allowed to post? Maybe its a "conspiracy?"
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amirlach
# amirlach 09-02-2012 15:33
Quote:
Whereas "belief" is what we are told by universities, science organizations, government intelligent services and hundreds of scientists with multiple Phds.
Yes "Belief" is the correct term because all these "universities, science organizations, government intelligent services and hundreds of scientists with multiple Phds cannot make any accurate predictions with those fancy Super Computer Models. Quote:

“It does not matter who you are, or how smart you are, or what title you have, or how many of you there are, and certainly not how many papers your side has published, if your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period.”

Climate predictions are consistently wrong, so the hypothesis is wrong and the computer models built on it are wrong and produce meaingless results.
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Robert
# Robert 09-02-2012 16:01
Not to mention that in the scientific realm "belief" is typically associated with things like a "belief" in the supernatural.

In other words drewski just verified that his entire line of reasoning is based on "belief" not fact.

Once again he establishes that he cannot grasp the concept that argument by means of authority does not constitute proof.

But it does mean he doesn't have to think about it, he just has to "believe" what he is told.
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Tez
# Tez 09-02-2012 19:14
Drewski is the spokesman for a team of "CO2 is the villain" believers. He inadvertently confessed this in a recent posting. :-x

The team are reluctant to discus archeological evidence found in Greenland. They also exaggerate sea temperature increases by a factor of 6. :eek:

They are embarrassed that although CO2 content increases, the temperatures remain static. :lol:

This fact alone would alert any true scientist that the CO2/temperature link has been falsified.

Drewski's team needs to return to the drawing board :P
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Drewski
# Drewski 09-02-2012 20:23
CO2 accounts for approximately 15% of the total greenhouse effect (and rising). Oceans are acidifying and there has been a global and uniform rise in ocean temps. CO2 concentrations are also highest at the northern latitudes -- guess what has been happening there?

Meanwhile un-experts parade around telling us about how their grandma's pipes froze last winter in the little town of Nowhere Oklahoma and that proves that global warming is a hoax.

Anyone else have to punch in the 3 separate codes before the post is allowed?
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amirlach
# amirlach 09-02-2012 20:37
Co2 is rising temperatures are not.

"Climate predictions are consistently wrong, so the hypothesis is wrong and the computer models built on it are wrong and produce meaingless results."

The oceans are not acidic they are alkaline.

The rising temperature of the ocean is man made "Adjustments" to the Data by the Rent Seeking, Serial Data fiddlers. You know the usual suspects.

Your issue with codes is your inability to read and comprehend there Mr. "Always Right". :D
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Tez
# Tez 09-03-2012 03:46
Team Drewski,

Corals have been around for more than 500 million years.

During that time sea temperatures were for the large part 15C higher than current temperatures. Also atmospheric CO2 reached as high as 4000+ parts per million for many millions of years. :eek:

By what mechanism did the coral survive that is absent today? :-*

Your scaremongering re ocean acidification (and your sea temperature rise exaggeration) is just that, scaremongering. :P
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MarleneBlackwntr
# MarleneBlackwntr 09-02-2012 17:49
Quoting anne:
Marlene, sorry if I upset you so much, but this is not a site for promoting alternative energy, it's a site to debate whether it's required at all. Drewski, I am sure anyone on this site will debate with you, but debate is exactly that, it means discuss a topic on which differing views are considered, in this case real sciences, realists, as opposed to belief, warmists.


Apologies in kind, I get attacked quite often, in similar manner to what you said, so it's a conditioned-reflex.
I DO apologize sincerely--I don't wish to make enemies, but it's very difficult at times to tell if someone is joking.
Our view is that ENERGY is required, we can all agree on that.
It's just better, on a strictly efficiency-minded level if it's sustainable and doing involve the one-way direction of burning things.
Global Warming...our take on that is based off Geological core sample data showing clearly that the world undergoes natural warming periods like this one we're seeing now. It's not Man's fault, it's a Normal and natural cycle.

The energy system we use and promote isn't meant as finger-shaking thing at Humanity, but as one that will allow more folks to have more power, with less expense, and as it's extremely scaleable, it fits into portability on varying levels all the way down to Personal very nicely--convenience is the big thing there.


In any case, my apologies again for the misunderstanding. :-)
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MarleneBlackwntr
# MarleneBlackwntr 09-03-2012 01:38
I'm going to stick with Geological core data and evidence. The troubling part is that Warming cycles always precede Glacial Epochs--and we're REALLY overdue for one.
As for man-made CO2...if we got the world's Politicians to shut-up for a week, things would probably come back to normal. LOL

Drewsi, I've been having trouble with the codes also, as they're so faint they're hard to see, and also seem to be time-sensitive.
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