Free-for-all Topics and Discussion: Sept. 7, 2012

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amirlach
# amirlach 09-07-2012 18:57
Just for drewski cause he asked so nicely for a graph showing correlation between solar and temperatures. ;-) Quote:
Earlier last month, professor Richard Muller of the University of California-Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature (BEST) project announced that in the project’s newly constructed global land temperature record, “no component that matches solar activity” was related to temperature. Instead, Mr. Muller said carbon dioxide controlled temperature. - Consider the accompanying chart. It shows some rather surprising relationships between solar radiation and daytime high temperatures taken directly from Berkeley’s BEST project. The remarkable nature of these series is that these tight relationships can be shown to hold from areas as large as the United States.
wattsupwiththat.com/2012/09/06/soon-and-briggs-global-warming-fanatics-take-note-sunspots-do-impact-climate/ www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/6/global-warming-fanatics-take-note/
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Drewski
# Drewski 09-08-2012 08:30
Like shootic sCeptics in a barrel:

The data and the chart appear to be derived from Friis‐Christensen and Lassen, 1991. This particular work has issues noted in multiple publications:

Laut & Gundermann (2000) (adsabs.harvard.edu/full/2000ESASP.463..189L): “Our conclusion is that the impression, created by the articles of Friss-Christensen and Lassen, that the recent global warming has been caused predominantly by changes in solar activity, is not supported by the physical data they have used.”

Damon & Laut (2004) (www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/1999/1999GL900578.shtml): “Using the pre‐industrial record as a boundary condition, the SCL (solar cycle length) temperature correlation corresponds to an estimated 25% of global warming to 1980 and 15% to 1997.”

Laut (2003) (www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2004/2004EO390005.shtml): “Analysis of a number of published graphs that have played a major role in these debates and that have been claimed to support solar hypotheses [...] shows that the apparent strong correlations displayed on these graphs have been obtained by incorrect handling of the physical data.”

Soon and Briggs should be aware of these works, which really invalidate Friss-Christensen 1991 – and the article they have just published. They have certainly not addressed the criticisms of the FC&L data handling.

Soon and Briggs. One of the best comedy teams of the past 20 years.
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Robert
# Robert 09-08-2012 11:32
Oh get serious drewski, you'r supposed to point the gun at the barrel not your face.

Provide proof that any of your quotes mean a damn thing regarding the matter being discussed. All it demonstrates is there are some people who took issue with someone's work that didn't support their beliefs.

There have been a number of criticisms of some of your warmist heroes, all valid, yet the issues were never corrected. Therefore, by your logic, there must be a lot of comedians in warmist land as well.

Until you have something intelligent to say how about you just stay silent?
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amirlach
# amirlach 09-09-2012 15:30
:D Laut & Gundermann (2000)? They base their findings on Mann et al 1998? The most refuted fiddled data ever?
:D Quote:
Soon and Briggs should be aware of these works, which really invalidate Friss-Christensen 1991 – and the article they have just published.
They mention several peer reviewed studies but not once do they quote Friss-Christensen 1991. Quote:
These peer-reviewed results, appearing in several science journals, make it difficult to maintain that changes in solar activity play no or an insignificant role in climate change.

The hallmark of good science is the testing of plausible hypotheses that are either supported or rejected by the evidence. The evidence in BEST’s own data and in other data we have analyzed is consistent with the hypothesis that the sun causes climate change, especially in the Arctic, China and the United States. BEST’s data also clearly invalidate the hypothesis that CO2 is the most important cause of observed temperature changes across the United States. There just is no such close match between the steady rise in atmospheric CO2 concentration and the often dramatic ups and downs of surface temperatures in and around the Arctic, China and the United States.
Your Mann data based study from 2000 in no way refutes these recent Peer Reviewed Studies. www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/6/global-warming-fanatics-take-note/
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amirlach
# amirlach 09-09-2012 19:24
Your other two links are dead drewski. :cry:
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amirlach
# amirlach 09-10-2012 00:53
Besides comrade drewski we already covered the where and how of the IPCC's "Incorrect Adjustments" to the Solar data by Frolich and Lean in this thread. climatechangedispatch.com/home/10448-eu-carbon-link-just-more-hot-air This whole "Only man made Co2 explains temperatures" claim of yours is complete nonsense.

"Claus Frohlich, constructed a composite time series from satellite observations of total solar irradiance (TSI) made since the late 1970's. His composite, the so-called 'PMOD' model, modifies the published results of the Numbus7/ERB and ACRIM1 science teams to provide better agreement with the predictions of a statistical model by Judith Lean based on linear regressions against solar emission and absorption line proxies for TSI." The graph tampering done by Judith [Lean] and Claus [Frohlich}was scientifically unjustified. hockeyschtick.blogspot.ca/2010/06/judithgate-update.html
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Robert
# Robert 09-10-2012 15:00
Well if we can just find that missing hotspot we might also find where drewski's logic is hiding.

Seeing as he brought up the "fish in a barrel" analogy he should have planned ahead for when the fish shoot back.

Not that any return fire was really necessary seeing as he gave himself a head shot from point blank range...
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amirlach
# amirlach 09-10-2012 20:15
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He gave himself a head shot from point blank range...
It's because when he shot himself in the foot he forgot it was still in his mouth. :D

The infamous "Hot Spot" is the one point all the AGW models predicted. The failure of this prediction invalidated AGW theory.
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amirlach
# amirlach 09-09-2012 15:49
Unfortunately for Co2 sophists everywhere (aka drewski's), all predictions based upon the non-correlation of Co2 levels and temperature have failed. We all know what that failure of the theory to make any accurate or skillfull predictions means. Quote:
"If your prediction is wrong then your hypothesis is wrong. Period.”
:cry:
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Paul Homewood
# Paul Homewood 09-08-2012 05:37 Reply | Reply with quote | Quote | Report to administrator
 
 
Paul Homewood
# Paul Homewood 09-08-2012 05:41
The Met Office have released the August weather data, which confirms the UK have just had the two coldest summers for over 20 years.

The CET shows this summer as being cooler than the full 1659-2012 average!

notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2012/09/05/uk-summers-back-to-normal/
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ralph
# ralph 09-08-2012 10:54
Accused genocidal warlord named to Human Rights Council
U.N. elevation called 'callous, dangerous, and tragic'

Published: 16 hours ago

An African warlord once sought as an international criminal on genocide allegations will soon be contributing his judgments on human rights issues worldwide as a member of the United Nations Human Rights Council, a development that is sparking outrage in Congress.

Sudan, led by Omar al-Bashir, has been awarded a seat on the international tribunal starting in 2013, and U.S. Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., said it’s just gone too far.

“Allowing this genocidal dictatorship, which has killed thousands of its citizens, to serve on such a body is beyond hypocrisy, it is callous, dangerous, and tragic,” she said in a statement issued as the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee.


www.wnd.com/2012/09/accused-genocidal-warlord-named-to-human-rights-council/
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ralph
# ralph 09-08-2012 11:01
EXCLUSIVE: U.N. Elects Iran to Commission on Women's Rights

NEW YORK — Without fanfare, the United Nations this week elected Iran to its Commission on the Status of Women, handing a four-year seat on the influential human rights body to a theocratic state in which stoning is enshrined in law and lashings are required for women judged "immodest."

Just days after Iran abandoned a high-profile bid for a seat on the U.N. Human Rights Council, it began a covert campaign to claim a seat on the Commission on the Status of Women, which is "dedicated exclusively to gender equality and advancement of women," according to its website.

Buried 2,000 words deep in a U.N. press release distributed Wednesday on the filling of "vacancies in subsidiary bodies," was the stark announcement: Iran, along with representatives from 10 other nations, was "elected by acclamation," meaning that no open vote was requested or required by any member states — including the United States.

www.foxnews.com/world/2010/04/29/elects-iran-commission-womens-rights/
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amirlach
# amirlach 09-10-2012 20:26
Canada has just closed it's Embasy in Iran and expelled the Irainian Diplomats here in Canada.

It's becoming a question of when not if Canada should leave the failed and corrupted UN.
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Mark
# Mark 09-08-2012 14:45
Hi all,
It's Friday. As the USA election looms I had to watch the Ray Stevens vid-
Always makes me smile
www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6TcpfBHlbs
have a great weekend
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amirlach
# amirlach 09-10-2012 20:23
OH NOES!!!... Quote:
Why so little attention for an issue that is one of the “biggest threats of this generation?”

Perhaps, just days away from the anniversary of the Solyndra scandal, they didn’t want to remind people of President Obama bragging about how Solyndra is the model for green jobs of the future, only to have them fail—costing more than a thousand jobs and hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars. Or, how the failed green-energy loan guarantee program exposed the favor his friends in high places received.
finance.townhall.com/columnists/maritanoon/2012/09/10/democrats_dont_think_climate_change_winning_issue
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