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Chris Huhne, the UK’s Secretary of State for Energy and Climate Change gambled the future of Britain’s energy generation on a massive expansion of giant bird shredders:

February 2007 [before Huhne was in government]:

Liberal Democrat environment spokesman Chris Huhne said: “The doubling of our electricity generation from wind in a little more than a year shows what renewables can do and gives the lie to the need for a new generation of nuclear power. “However, the incentives for wind need to be maintained while the Government is still far short of doing what is necessary to encourage tidal and wave power. “On a windy island surrounded by waves and tides, we should never be short of environmentally-friendly energy sources.”

June 2010:

Huhne expressed his excitement over the findings of a recent report into the value of Britain’s offshore resources. He is quoted saying: “It is right to point out, as that report did, that in due course we may once again be a net energy exporter, as we were during the peak of oil and gas in the North Sea, and that’s a very exciting prospect.”

July 2010:

The Energy Secretary said enabling Britain to be totally self-sufficient thanks to renewable sources – which also included wave power and harnessing tidal streams – would be an extraordinary prize.

September 2010:

I’m pleased that we’ve reached the point where 5GW of our energy comes from onshore and offshore wind – that’s enough electricity to power all the homes in Scotland.

cartoon by Josh

But wind power is a mirage.

If the promise of wind was real, the UK wouldn’t need to spend £5 billion on new undersea cables linking it to more reliable power from European nations like nuclear-powered France:

The Government plans to spend more than £5billion laying 11 undersea power cables to allow Britain to import electricity from neighbouring countries and prevent blackouts in the next decade. The giant cables would provide up to 10GW of electricity, enough to power 2.4 million homes a year. Ministers are said to be alarmed at Britain’s likely energy shortfall, made worse by the fact the country has less capacity to import power than any other in Europe.

Chris Huhne scattered the land and oceans with anti-avian monuments to stupidity, and all he has to show for it is millions of dead birds and people who can’t afford electricity. Turns out the green dream is more of a nightmare for Britons.

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# Robert 2011-10-17 11:05
So did the doubling of wind generation double the available power as the same increase in a coal or gas powered plant would have?

Didn't think so.
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# Red Jeff 2011-10-17 11:33
I'm out $4 million this weekend because of renewables! Worth repeating... "It’s been a breezy weekend in Ontario…which means, more money flying out of Ontario taxpayer and ratepayer pockets. According to energy analyst Scott Luft, record amounts of wind power were produced…but we didn’t need it. Parker Gallant estimates that Ontario sold off the excess power to other jursidictions at a huge cost: “So yesterday we paid the wind turbine operators $4,229,280 ($135 per MWh) to produce their record 31,328 MWh and exported it at an average price of $21 per MWh generating about $650,000 in revenue for a net cost of approximately $3.6 million. We also paid Bruce $931,000 ($65 per MWH) for steaming off (using your comparative drop from same day last year) the 14,325 MWh of nuclear so the net cost to produce the 31,328 MWh from wind fully costed was $4.5 million or $143 per MWh for power we didn’t even use!" northgowerwindactiongroup.wordpress.com/2011/10/16/another-expensive-wind-weekend-in-ontario/

It's great having SO MUCH MONEY we can piss it away like that. Britain is equally wealthy? Some future our leaders envision.
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# Russ 2011-10-17 11:42
Hey Jeff, that's the way it works, you and me pays for the bulk and then they practically give the rest away. The energy companys don't care because they are already got the suckers to pay for their Bullshit weather you like it or not.
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# Gator 2011-10-17 12:15
This will be remembered as the Golden Age of Unreason.
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# Ben K 2011-10-18 05:49
'giant bird shredders'
'bird choppers'
'millions of dead birds'
Interesting that you haven't linked to any articles on this. Any study using figures from any location in the world demonstrates that wind turbines are responsible for a tiny fraction of bird deaths in comparison to any of domestic cats, power lines or cars.
We do need to debate our energy options rather than just accepting government propaganda, but this has to be done using actual FACTS rather than just the equally as misleading anti-wind propaganda messages that have been stretching the truth to the point that it snaps. There are sensible anti-wind arguments that can be made without resorting to this ineffectual and misleading 'wind turbines kill millions of birds' myth. The more times that lie is trotted out, the weaker the rest of the arguments seem to become.
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# Gator 2011-10-18 07:14
Hey Ben! If it helps any, I hate cats too! :D

But then I'm just a card carrying member of the cat hating lobby. ;-)
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# Red Jeff 2011-10-18 07:44
Birdshredder Ben, this is for you "A July 2008 study of the wind farm at Altamont Pass, Calif., estimated that its turbines kill an average of 80 golden eagles per year. The study, funded by the Alameda County Community Development Agency, also estimated that about 10,000 birds—nearly all protected by the migratory bird act—are being whacked every year at Altamont.

Altamont's turbines, located about 30 miles east of Oakland, Calif., kill more than 100 times as many birds as Exxon's tanks, and they do so every year. But the Altamont Pass wind farm does not face the same threat of prosecution, even though the bird kills at Altamont have been repeatedly documented by biologists since the mid-1990s." online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203706604574376543308399048.html

2008 Wolfe Island 1,982 dead birds in 8 months. Watch for yourself the bird get killed at 1:19. You can audibly here the bird get hit and the sickening crunch as it plummets 400 feet to the ground. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofoxM-tqPew No environmentalist can call themselves such and remain silent.
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# Gator 2011-10-18 15:51
LILLY, Pa. — Thirty-five windmills at a western Pennsylvania wind farm have been silenced at night since a bat that belongs to an endangered species was found dead under one of the turbines.

The Tribune-Democrat of Johnstown is reporting the farm shut down the windmills overnight after the Indiana bat was found Sept. 26.

The farm in question was built by Gamesa Energy USA and covers parts of Portage, Washington, and Cresson Townships in Cambria County, and part of Blair County, about 60 miles east of Pittsburgh.

A spokesman for Duke Energy, which now owns the wind farm, says it has a cooperative monitoring agreement with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to determine whether bats are being harmed by the windmills.

The windmills will likely resume nighttime operation about Nov. 15, when the bats will hibernate until spring.


www.bostonherald.com/news/national/northeast/view/20111018windmills_stopped_at_night_after_bat_death/srvc=home%26position=recent

I've been searching the internet and jogging my memory, but I cannot ever recall the coal fired plant near me ever being shut down for any reason whatsoever. And no dead flappy things either! In fact, the birdies make nests on it. Huh.
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# Ian Worrall 2012-02-05 11:41
so what to do then? just give up on any form of renewable energy or alternatives to fossil fuels? We'll need an alternative when fossil fuels run out so it's better to start looking now then wait until we have no choice.
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# Gator 2012-02-05 11:54
A wise man never ditches success for failure. We have centuries of fossil fuels remaining, and there is no more efficient means of generating power.

Find a better way, and everyone will follow voluntarily. ;-)
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# amirlach 2012-02-05 13:56
Yes you could start looking and you might find an "Alternative" before the centuries worth of real energy beneath your feet runs out... Maybe. :D

Was talking with my former next door neighbor a couple nights ago. He has been a Drilling Consultant for over 40 years and is currently working in the Bakkan Field in North Dakota.

He has drilled wells all over the world and was saying when he drilled wells in northern England/Scotland and the North Sea they drilled through zones that had 800 meters of Coal to get at the oil and gas zones.

Shale gas is also huge in the UK, there is centuries worth of Coal and Coal Gas, but hey Ian better -you- start looking while -you- still have a choice.

Me i'll chose real energy because the "Alternative" is freezing in the dark.
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