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oil sands refineryAndrew Weaver isn't what you'd call an oilsands apologist.

Weaver, who holds the Canada Research Chair in Climate Modelling and Analysis at the University of Victoria, was a lead author with the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

He is one of the world's leading authorities on global warming and one of the fiercest critics of the Harper government's carbon emissions policy - or lack thereof.

That's what makes Weaver's latest research publication such startling news.

This past Sunday, Weaver and his doctoral student, Neil Swart, published an analysis in the scientific journal Nature Climate Change, an offshoot of Nature, the world's most prestigious science journal.

In their paper, Swart and Weaver conclude the impact of burning all the economically viable proven reserve of Alberta's oilsands - all 170 billion barrels - would be negligible. Burning all the proven reserves between 2012 and 2062, they say, would raise global temperatures by just 0.02 C to 0.05 C.

Burning up all the oil in the areas currently being mined would have even less impact.

"If only the reserve currently under active development were combusted," they write, "the warming would be almost undetectable at our significance level."

Even using up every last drop of estimated oil-inplace, including bitumen that's currently inaccessible or unproven - even if such a thing were possible - would raise global temperatures by roughly 0.35 C.

That's a stark contrast to the claims of those such as NASA climate scientist James Hansen, a leading opponent of the Keystone XL pipeline, who described Alberta's oilsands as "the biggest carbon bomb on the planet."

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# Gator 2012-02-22 13:06
"It is, more subtly, that the oilsands make it all too easy for North Americans to remain reliant on fossil fuel."

Yeah, and I guess one could argue we are 'reliant' on water as well. :o

This silly and backward aversion to cheap energy, enhanced crop production, and milder climate, is truly a mental disorder.

Petrophobic.
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# Robert 2012-02-22 16:55
Yes, heaven forbid we remain reliant on something that is proven to work efficiently and cheaply.

Much better we jump ship to some new technology that only "works" if it is heavily subsidized by the tax payers, where all the start ups have been going bankrupt as though it were scripted. :-*

WTF are they on?
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# amirlach 2012-02-22 20:30
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Even using up every last drop of estimated oil-inplace, including bitumen that's currently inaccessible or unproven - even if such a thing were possible - would raise global temperatures by roughly 0.35 C.
That number for Alberta alone is 1.6 TRILLION Barrels. With a not very well kept secret being that Saskatchewan has at least as much oil.

Put THAT in yer pipe and Smoke it you hippy losers! :D
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# Din365 2012-02-23 01:53
What happened was that weaver has realized that attacking the oilsands for the hippe wet dream is a loosing battle,and decided his credibility is worth more to him than a sinking eco-religion.

after denialgate-gate,we'll see more
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# Joker 2012-02-23 05:44
The next scare is well on the way folks.

BBC News 22 Feb 2012, threat to the world's communications and energy infrastructure from Electro Magnetic Pulse due to massive Bursts of Solar Energy.


Over five minutes was devoted to this 'Sensational News' item, various 'experts' commented on various aspects of this 'threat' the last one to comment was asked by John Humphrys 'so what defence do we have against this threat?'

I knew what was coming, and sure enough the reply was 'well more investment in robust infrastructure'

Yep, give us your money and we'll save you!

Look out for it folks, this is gonna go big with the scaremongers.

You heard it here.

EMP is the new climate change
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# Gator 2012-02-23 08:01
Hey Joker! I've been toying with the idea of buying a used shipping container to use for storage. It would also serve as a handy EMP shelter for my truck, and any other electronics I could pack it with before the pulse arrives. I hate to think about how long it would take to get my truck fixed, as we would be forced to repair virtually every car and truck in the US. The parts shortages alone would be truly crippling, so I'm not selling my '69 Buick any time soon. ;-)

We may not see an EMP for over a thousand years, but it is something for which we should be preparing. An ounce of preparation would be worth a pound of repairs.
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# Joker 2012-02-23 08:35
Hi Gator

Let's hope Tom Cruise is around, you know...

...'Hey Maddy, have you tried changing the solenoid?'

War of the Worlds, just before New York got torched by the Martians.

Ho Ho Ho
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# amirlach 2012-02-23 19:48
My AM General 5 Ton 6X6 is already sheilded from EMP. All the electronics are housed in welded steel boxes, the diesel engine is mechanical injection and can run without any electrical what-so-ever. Good old Cold War Era tech. ;-)
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# Charles Higley 2012-02-23 12:49
I wonder if Weaver is using the constants for CO2 thermodynamics that the IPCC brains fabricated. Otherwise, he would not be claiming such large warming here.

The IPCC took the established CO2 constant and upped it 12-fold, making the theoretical warming from CO2 doubling go from 0.10 degC to 1.2 deg C, and they then claimed that water vapor would augment this to 5-8 deg C of warming with their mythical positive feedback, having decided to deny the existence of the convectional heat engine of the water cycle.

In other words, his results should indicate negligible changes throughout.

Better yet, the warmists have a BIG secret—N2 and O2 do have IR spectral bands, even more than CO2! The IR spectrum of air clearly shows significant bands at all the bands absorbed by N2 and O2 absorption—the IPCC attributes all bands to water vapor except two small ones for CO2.

So, if there is a crowd of 1000 people all screaming, you will not here the baby crying in their midst. You also will not hear two babies crying in their midst. CO2 is a crying baby.
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# Charles Higley 2012-02-23 12:50
If all of the gases in our atmosphere absorb and emit IR, and 99.961% is N2, O2, and H2O, how can a weaker absorbing CO2 at 0.039% have any detectable effect. I am also ignoring its 5–6 year half-life in the atmosphere, which is why our emissions are meaningless.

I was very surprised how difficult it was to late IR spectra for N2 and O2. There may be a reason for this, as they do not want this known.
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# Charles Higley 2012-02-23 12:51
The Wikipedia coverage of greenhouse gases:

"The primary greenhouse gases in the Earth's atmosphere are water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, and ozone."

These are all trace gases.
With no mention of N2 and O2, the reader is led to assume that they do not have IR activity. This is a lie by omission.
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# Gator 2012-02-23 13:38
Quoting Charles Higley:
This is a lie by omission.


Hey Charles! It is their favorite tactic. Half truths, and whole lies.
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